CORMIER HIT

[[JT]]

Wow this was vicious.

What do you think should happen to him?

Patrick Roy went straight to the police before even dealing with the league about it lol.

[Wetundies]

ban, he did it at the world juniors as well.

[Duncan]

some people say that roy went to the police because he's bitter about the police being involved with the case of him sending his goalie son out to pummel the other goalie.

[tiger]

I think they should ban him for the year. He's a repeat offender and what he did completely crossed the line.

[Duncan]

cormier will get the balance of the season and the playoffs for sure. He's in his last year of Jr eligibility so there wont be anything else heard from him after this. It's a convenient solution. Just like that Liambas kid. Not sure how to spell his name, but that other kid who plowed another player's face into the boards with a high hit.

Interesting to see how this will effect Cormier. He seems like a Downie type player.

[tiger]

the other hit by Liambus on Fanelli is different. Fanelli actual could see Liambus coming before he pick up the puck. The hit was an upper body one and unfortunately it spun him around so his head hit the boards. This type of play happens quite regularly.

Cormier deliberately went for the head with an elbow. I think he was trying to bodycheck him, and when Tam stopped and hopped past him, Cormier went for the head. It was pretty cheap already with that WJC elbow on Rodin. But this was a full speed.

Downie is a late hitter too, except he doesn't use his elbows to the head. Laraque taught Downie a lesson about late hits. I think Downie has learned his lesson after a few 20 game suspensions.

I hope the Devils don't sign Cormier for awhile, and even if they do, keep him in the minors for a long time for him to mature. If he tries some of that in the NHL, somebody is going to put him in his place. And when he's NHL ready, trade him to bottom feeding team where they lose in bunches.

That hit was like how Domi did that cheapshot on Neidermayer.

I won't even draft Cormier in my hockey pool, or even buy anything hockey related with his name on it. I have no respect for him and I think he is an absolute disgrace to hockey, his country, his family, and himself.

[Duncan]

i didn't say the hits were the same, i was merely making the point that liambus was in the same situation as cormier where they were in their last year of jr eligibility and canning them for "the rest of their jr career" is a convenient solution because it sounds like you're coming down super hard on the kid, but it's only equivalent to like what, a 20 game suspension?

And if you are saying that the cormier hit was even worse than liambus, then the book's coming down harder on cormier no? Liambus got suspended for the rest of the season effectively ending his jr career. I don't know you could do much more than that to cormier either. What else can do you do? fine the kid who makes 10k a year playing jrs? fine the coach? fine the organisation? heck, a police investigation has already been initiated.

I don't like this Cormier kid either. Even after last year's jr tournament. He just seemed like a loose cannon and more of a detriment to the team than anything. Like i said, he's a downie type player who only thinks of his own nuts. But i agree, downie seems like he's learned his lesson, but to a degree. I wonder if he'll be a dork anymore.

Oh, and i think after he retired, Domi said one time that his elbow on Neidermayer was his biggest regret or one of his biggest regrets in his playing career. still doesn't justify it nor does it make thinks all hunky dory, but still, at least he's smart enough to know he was a goon.

[tiger]

Downie's 20 suspensions were in the NHL and the AHL. So he lost money and lost opportunity. Plus it's in a professional league. I'm not saying that Cormier should get 20 games. That's what Downie got. I posted earlier that Cormier should be banned for the year. **(added) Now knowing more of his situation, perhaps it should be a full calendar year. don't know how that would be enforced, unless most of the major hockey leagues respect that. So he could be stuck in Europe playing for a year. Pretty sure Sweden won't take him though.

I do think that the Cormier hit is worse. It's going to be odd b/c of the timing of the hit, Cormier could actually serve less time, which sucks, IMO. What happens if some guy loses his mind on the last day of the season, and does the same thing? 1 game suspension? 3 minute misconduct? What about Tam's career? The dude might not be able to play hockey again.

B/c of the hit, I'm actually more in favour of the police being involved. Any for anyone who says the police shouldn't be involved, spend a day with them in the hospital first and say it directly to the faces of the Mikael and the Tam family. If you can do that in good conscience and still feel that way after, then okay, I'll back off.

Ending Liambus' jr career is pretty severe for him, b/c his chance of making it into the NHL are slim. I'm not sure if he's even drafted. So less playing time means that he can't showcase his talents. Cormier represented team canada as captain! An honor, a priviledge. Since being named, he has done 2 very intentional idiotic elbows. Because he was held in such high esteem, he has fallen far, so the disgrace is greater.

Cormier has already been drafted, named captain in the WJC, and probably has a legit shot at the NHL. So ending his jr career doesn't really teach him any lesson, IMO. Plus on top of that, he's a repeat offender of the same type of cheap hit. So obviously, this guy is still immature, thinks he's invincible and and carry on like a donkey with no consequences. I think a stiffer penalty will actually be better for him in the long run. You knocked out a player with your elbow, plus a few teeth, gave the guy brain trauma, and who know what other lasting negative effects. I don't want to hear any excuses of ignorance (I didn't think it would be that bad, I didn't mean to give him brain trauma..etc.) Of course you didn't! Nobody that is sane goes around wanting to give people brain trauma. But you did something stupid, a mistake, which turned out really really bad, so there are consequences. Possibly big consequences.

If he doesn't learn, then someone's going to teach him that lesson the hard way. It also protects him. Downie was still running around like a donkey, hitting players late, sucker punching them. Then George Laraque checked him from behind into the boards to teach him a lesson. I don't agree with that, but since then Downie's stop doing that sort of stuff and has turned into a better player.

In the end, if Cormier loses his chance at the NHL b/c of this, that's his own unfortunate fault.

[joel]

I finally watched this Hit that has been stirring up all this controversy.

It did look like an intent to injure and it looks like the CHL basically threw the book at him. Suspending him for the remainder of his junior career, including the playoffs and memorial cup if his team were to make it that far, is basically the most they can give him. As far as carrying any suspension beyond that I do not think that the AHL/NHL would warrant any suspension based on actions in junior.

New Jersey could make him sit out a year as they control his rights and decides where he plays next year. But I don't see that happening either. Seeing as he is already signed, its in their best interest to try and develop their prospect and not have him sit a year out, however distasteful his actions may be. They are trying to run a business and will try to make the most they can out of their investment.

But the more serious reprecussion will be the legal matter. The police have already been involved in the past with incidents in the QJMHL and it seems that the Quebec Court system is willing to be more invovled with conduct of junior players. Also Cormier is 19 and therefore an adult in Canada, which could mean jail time at worst, if tried and convicted for assualt. Also if Tam's injuries prove to be permanent then there is the potential for a Civil lawsuit (a la Moore) as well.

Regarding the hit itself, it was a pretty bad hit. But I have seen elbows in the NHL just as bad or worse. The biggest consideration I think is obviously the severity of the injury and the horror of seeing Tam convulsing on the ice. I am sure it is not the kind of image the CHL want to project. Had he just gotten up and skated and continued playing this likely would not be such a huge controversy. I also watched the hit on Rhodin, that to me seemed even worse in its premeditation, as it was completely outside of the play.

Unfortunately, due to the nature of hockey, I think there will always be players with a few screws loose or too emotionally high strung and do something crazy. I am sure this won't be the last case of this type of incident.

[joel]

Did anyone see the Green elbow to Frolik? I heard that he was given a 3 game suspension, but never saw that hit myself. Perhaps the terms of the suspension reflect the current hockey atmosphere with the whole cormier hit? I don't recall Green ever getting suspended in the past and 3 games for a first offense seems fairly significant.

[supersuk]

Mark Messier kills Mike Modano, with the help of paramedics too lol


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