I'm thinking of buying this book as a gift.

[nature boy]

oh on earth did you even remember this thread to bump it up?

hotlink didn't work, btw.

i especially hate it when people show up late for poker, and often waltz in with a stupid story to tell. bastards, i tell ya.

[se7entse7en]

[geForce]

I'm not sure... I don't think so?

[Wetundies]

Grand did it with his family.

[Duncan]

[geForce]

I know about Sam's speaking out about the issue and Jai's email as well, but that was a month ago. That's why I took that picture.

It's just frustrating that even after this "new" awareness has been created, I still hear/see people kind of "laughing it off". During lunch, I heard someone saying that they were "only 3 minutes late past 12pm". I know it was just a joke and that's fine, but on the other hand, is this really progression?

I don't want to make anyone feel bad about it though. I just wanted to put that picture up to create more awareness.

[Duncan]

don't worry, i don't think you're making anyone feel bad, but IMO progression for something like this (simple as it may seem... just show up on time damnit) could take (pardon the bad joke) time. Even for this Sunday when we were ready to go, Joyce/Inhee were a little hesitant to start cuz there were so few ppl in the pews. I kinda had to nudge them to start telling them that we should start regardless. If people think that the worship team will just wait anyway, then it defeats the purpose. Also, if we dont start on time, it's disrespectful to those who made the effort to be on time.

People have been used to showing up late for years upon years... and it doesn't help that the 3 weeks prior to this past sunday, the catonese ran overtime to the point where we didn't even get into the sanctuary til 12noon. I have a feeling that the cantonese lateness deadened the affect of PSam speaking about lateness.

But yea, more awareness is good, but the awareness you're creating on the forums is kinda only limited to forum ppl who go to new life. Me (usually on time), Jai (usually on time), Joel (usually on time because Joyce has to be), Dave (usually... who am i kidding), and you (usually on time). lol

i'm not trying to create excuses, but as the article jai posted suggests, it might be more of an internal issue than most ppl think. I'm just hoping by the grace of God that people will start respecting start times.

[geForce]

[Duncan]

haha, that's a good point.. we should take pictures and post it up on the projector... if it's still this bad in july, i'm gonna do it when i lead service then haha

[nature boy]

[nature boy]

about the lateness thing, when do you guys do announcements? if it's any other time than the beginning, maybe move them to the beginning? that way you can start on time, and it'll act as a buffer for those who are late.

you might think that people won't care if they miss the announcements, but i'd think that i'd rather them miss the announcements than the opening song.

[se7entse7en]

[nature boy]

[Duncan]

but that's still not the point... we don't want to accommodate and bend over for the late comers, we want the late comers to come on time. It's like saying, oh, lets start elementary school with 15 minutes of recess because kids are always coming late and missing class anyway... if people realise that announcements are first on the order of worship, they'll be more inclined to not care about coming on time.

[geForce]