guys... rkw is at it again.

[nature boy]

my buddy posted this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/2 ... _ref=false
about westboro baptist church... WESTBORO.

this happened after:

Richard Kevin Williams: Could it be that I actually agree with the Westboro Baptist Church about something? I may not agree with their methods, although I agree with their point.
50 minutes ago · Like

Lawrence T. Cheung: I don't agree with the method and point.
27 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams: I didn't think you would, but then I don't think you are taking what God says about divorce seriously.
6 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams: Actually, I don't think the church does in general.


should i post something? lol.

[[JT]]

Yep. For teh lulz.

[nature boy]

i told my friend to defriend him haha, but he didn't respond to that. here's an update:

Justin Tse: The Catholics do.
14 hours ago · Edited · Like

Richard Kevin Williams: That sentiment seems to be a falsehood based on a man-made Catholic tradition that is an attempt to get around the entire issue:
http://www.archatl.com/offices/tribunal/drm_c.html

Divorce and Remarriage in the Catholic Church for Catholics | Metropolitan Tribunal |...
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Serving the faithful of the Archdiocese of Atlanta. Growing in faith, hope, love, and service to others.
13 hours ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams: I could say the Jehovah's Witnesses do, but that isn't the point that I am trying to make. I think there are a lot of people who have gone with the wind of society's thinking rather than listening to God.
13 hours ago · Like

Lawrence T. Cheung: the evangelical tradition is also a man-made tradition too.
12 hours ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams: What is that you are talking about Lawrence?
12 hours ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams: I am willing to hear some legitimate examples.
12 hours ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams: Still waiting for a list of these man-made traditions that are used as overall authorities for evangelical faith.
12 hours ago · Like



it's like... this guy can't take a hint. my friend ignored him. i'm going to give it an hour, i bet he's going to come back and wonder why no one posted anything yet.

[Wetundies]

So once you divorce, ur never allowed to get married, never? Ever? EVER??

[nature boy]

according to how some people read the bible. and it's not like you're not allowed, but it's consider adultery to those who would read it that way.
apparently, that's what rkw thinks haha.

[Wetundies]

so do they get stoned to death?

[nature boy]

not that i know of.

[nature boy]

so it turns out that rkw is very much against roman catholicism. very. much. against.
here's something that popped up today.

my friend posted this: http://www.revangelicalblog.com/blog1/2 ... ngeli.html about the mark dricoll/john macarthur situation yesterday. here's the discussion that followed:

Antonio Tang A good read. Thanks!
3 hours ago via mobile · Like

Steve Sutherland I'm not clear on what he means by the "death of right-wing Christianity." I hardly think those adherents will swing to the centre, and I wouldn't want to see them leave the faith (as embarrassing as their practice of it might be).
about an hour ago via mobile · Like

Richard Kevin Williams Maybe, on the other hand, it could be the end of people getting away with compromising the gospel as John McArthur is saying. I would not throw out everything the charismatic movement says about the use of spiritual gifts and I really don't know what John McArthur is saying about all of that at his conference, but to connect that with the issue of the Roman Catholic Church is wrong-headed, I will agree with that much.
59 minutes ago · Like

Steve Sutherland "Compromising the gospel" is a subjective term. Martin Luther had plenty to say about that, and others about him.
54 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Richard Kevin Williams It isn't subjective as far as associating yourself with the Roman Catholic Church is concerned.
53 minutes ago · Like

Steve Sutherland some, not done
49 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Steve Sutherland What I'm saying is that Protestants (in particular) think Catholics have compromised the gospel, and now done Protestants are saying other Protestants are compromising it. It's wildly subjective. But perhaps I misunderstood your point.
49 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Richard Kevin Williams The gospel itself is not subjective and there are many groups that officially contradict it within their own statements of faith - those that are labelled "Roman Catholic" and "Protestant" alike. And then there are those adherents themselves that contradict it through their own personal statements of faith.
42 minutes ago · Edited · Like

Steve Sutherland Most certainly.
42 minutes ago via mobile · Like

Nathan Fong i think this is what the article is getting at. through mcarthur's teaching (and the whole strange fire thing), it's becoming more apparent that even the right wing don't agree with the right wing. i consider mark driscoll right wing and there was this huge kerfuffle between the two camps yesterday (or so i read). there is a clear division among that whole conservative spectrum. there's a saying from way back: "united we stand, and divided we fall". essentially, there is a reason why many churches are turning to ecumenism, and i can't say that reason is bad.
21 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams Whatever you label whatever group that claims to be a follower of Christ, the idea that people do not agree with each other is hardly a new story and whatever you try to say about ecumenism isn't going to change that. As far as the whole ecumenical mov...See More
14 minutes ago · Like

Nathan Fong that's exactly what i'm saying. people don't agree with each other. that will never change. so either you allow the disagreement to divide or you grow up and learn to agree to disagree. it looks to me like driscoll and macarthur can't get over their disagreement (which most publications seem to call "secondary"), so they will remain at odds. ecumenism (in my view) is an attempt to live among the disagreement and recognising that as fallen and imperfect humans there is a slight possibility that we could be wrong in our staunch views. or, better yet, that the truth that either side holds is true enough for them, and that "secondary" truth isn't harmful thus not worthy of being divisive.

"love God, love your neighbour". i don't see bible bash in there anywhere.
6 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams No, you are not saying exactly everything I am saying. What do you make of Jesus praying for unity in the church? What do you make of the unity displayed in the early church? What do you make of the early Christians coming to decisions about what is truly to be taught in the churches as can be seen in the council of Jerusalem in the book of Acts? I think your points of agreeing to disagree do not stand on that basis.
about a minute ago · Like

[nature boy]

Richard Kevin Williams Actually your points don't stand based on everything that the New Testament says about unity and divisions in the church. They are only your views that are shared by a lot of people it seems, but it isn't a view that has any basis in the Bible.
4 minutes ago · Like

Nathan Fong define "unity". does it mean everyone is exactly the same in the way of belief, doctrine and theology? or does it mean that we will love and cherish one another in spite of differing opinons. my mom and i think very differently in many different ways. that doesn't mean she's no longer part of my family.

to me, "unity" encapsulates a sense of inclusiveness. drawing hard lines between camps is not uniting, it is divisive. is that what Jesus was praying for?
A few seconds ago · Like

[nature boy]

again, he doesn't seem to get it.

Richard Kevin Williams Nathan, I don't know how much you've read the Bible, but that is my basis for defining unity. I will try to find some verses for you.
19 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams "So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work." - Ephesians 4:11-16
16 minutes ago · Like

Nathan Fong i still don't see "bible bash" in there anywhere. rather, what i hear paul saying is for us to love one another, have faith that Christ is the head of the church, NOT US. we are but sinners *forgiven, but not perfect*. in thinking otherwise, as i've said already, is divisive and not uniting as paul is talking about.

interestingly enough, it's my understanding that paul wrote this letter that you're quoting from speaking to exactly what i believe this article is talking about. the ephesian church was torn over small doctrinal issues, arguing with each other and even still drawing lines between jew and gentile. paul wrote this to squash the divisiveness and to bring about unity... in diversity.
10 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams "I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought." - 1 Corinthians 1:10
9 minutes ago · Like

Nathan Fong please read the rest of 1 corinthians chapter 1 and see how the jews and greeks were quarrelling and how paul is speaking to it. and then stop pulling arbitrary verses out of context.
5 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams "You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." - 2 Timothy 3:10-4:5
4 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams Paul was speaking to the people about saying they were following certain people and about following the wisdom of the world when they should be following Christ and that does not change his charge of what he says in that particular verse I quoted.
about a minute ago · Like

Nathan Fong i'm not saying that you have to agree with me, richard. but i'm saying that this "thirst to be right" is what is divisive in the church. we see it in the article above. we see it in our local congregations. we see it in the multitude of denominations out there, all claiming to be "right". but in all the passages that you're pulling out, the intention is to put all the disagreements on doctrine and secondary issues aside and see that Christ loved all enough to die for all. yes, there will be disagreements and difference in opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that we are all (both you and i included) loved dearly by God in spite of our doctrine.

we are called to love God and one another first and foremost. we are not called to be right all the time, because when we are wrong, there is provision there for us in the forgiveness of Christ.
A few seconds ago · Like

[nature boy]

Richard Kevin Williams What does Paul say about the things that cause divisions in the church? - Romans 16:26-28: "I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."
3 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams I agree there is forgiveness, but there is also repentance.
about a minute ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams And what are "secondary issues"?
A few seconds ago · Like

Nathan Fong hm. good point with the romans passage. i think i should follow Christ in this calling and bow out of this conversation, as it seems to me that it is being more divisive than uniting. i'm sorry if you don't see it that way, but as you said, there is forgiveness and there is also repentance.
A few seconds ago · Like

[nature boy]

i had to squash it. he's getting out of hand and i have a meeting starting in about 5 minutes lol.

[nature boy]

he won't stop haha.

Richard Kevin Williams What is the teaching that they "have learned" that the apostle Paul is referring to? Didn't the early Christians devote themselves to the teachings of the apostles? And what exactly were those teachings?
2 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams Nathan, it seems you have no basis for believing anything as far as the Christian faith is concerned so it does not surprise me that you would run away from the conversation. And I am speaking that truth in love.
A few seconds ago · Like

[nature boy]

just finished my meeting, and he can't let go.

Steve Sutherland Doesn't sound like it. You've certainly turned me off to the conversation. I'm joining Nathan elsewhere.
about an hour ago via mobile · Edited · Like

Richard Kevin Williams Steve, you are in the same boat as Nathan I guess. You don't understand what love is, Proverbs 27:5: "Open rebuke is better than hidden love".
about an hour ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams It is actually an epidemic of the culture of the world so i understand why people act this way, although it isn't the way people should act when encountered with the truth.
about an hour ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams I want to add even more to this if anyone cares to listen. If I have family and friends and they are saying and doing things that aren't helpful to themselves and others, the loving thing would be to call them out on it and not allow them to continue on a destructive path although they might not listen to me and that would be their choice, but there is nothing wrong with calling people out on those things. It is called accountability. It seems like Nathan and Steve were trying to do that with me. I just didn't see any evidence for their arguments. It is actually contradictive to say that I am wrong in my understanding of how to carry out my faith and not to accept that I can do that to others.
43 minutes ago · Like

Richard Kevin Williams Isn't that the basis of this entire conversation?
42 minutes ago · Like

[[JT]]

lol moar