Star Trek Babes and other ST related Goodness

[nature boy]

[geForce]

[geForce]

Okay, I agree with Dunc now, this is sounding very nerdy lol

[se7entse7en]

As I see it, and I could be wrong, but a wormhole is a shortening of the distance between to points. And by distance, I think you could also include time. Traveling through a wormhole wouldn't be like traveling faster than the speed of light.

A transwarp conduit is more like a pipeline... or, as Geordi La Forge described it:
"like falling into a fast-moving river and being swept away by the current". - http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Transwarp_conduit

Traveling through a transwarp conduit involves temporal stresses. Traveling through a wormhole would not.

[se7entse7en]

"It would seem more appropriate, therefore, for the term "transwarp" to refer to any propulsion system that can be considered superior in potential velocity to standard warp drive, without implying any specific technique correlating to this superior velocity. " - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive_(Star_Trek)

[geForce]

[se7entse7en]

Who's 'they'? Star Trek or physists?

Warp (transwarp) travel is a star trek thing.
Wormholes are a hypothetical feature of space/time discussed by physists.

This is how I see it:


Folding space, or pinching space.

[nature boy]

[geForce]

[geForce]

[nature boy]

[geForce]

Anyway, my original argument was that a wormhole is more like a transwarp conduit than it is like a fold in space, not that it's exactly the same as transwarp conduit.

Descriptors used for a wormhole:
- conduit, tunnel
- takes you into subspace to shorten distance

Descriptors used for a transwarp conduit:
- conduit, tunnel
- takes you into subspace to make you travel faster

Descriptors used for a fold in space:
- it's a fold in space
- no tunnels or conduits used
- not accomplished through subspace, but rather through geodesic radiation through a red dwarf star

[nature boy]

a geodesic fold isn't the only description of a "fold" from what i understand. a fold is exactly that, a fold, geodesic or not.

[geForce]

[nature boy]

i still don't think you get what i'm saying and how i mean that a wormhole acts different from a transwarp conduit and the two aren't really comparable. i wasn't saying that a wormhole IS a fold, i said it's "like" a fold, in that you are transported from one point to another. let's put it this way:

space is a building. to travel from one point to another, you have to climb stairs. it sucks because it's slow and the building is so tall, and the stairs wind back and forth and all that jazz. there is no other way to get from the bottom of the building to the top. the shortest and quickest route is up the stairs.

a transwarp conduit is like installing an escalator replacing those stairs. you still travel the same exact route, but at a faster rate. you still go through each step, each floor, each hallway and landing on the escalator like you would each light year as you would if you were travelling at your regular speed. the end result is that you get to where you're going much quicker than you would by conventional means.

a wormhole is like an elevator that cuts through that conventional route. you travel a totally different weird magic route that cuts through all conventional space but still appear at point b somehow. you bypass each step, each floor, each hallway and landing that you would pass through conventionally and get you to point b. so it's not a "fold" in space as you describe the geodesic fold is, but it "acts" like a fold in that it shortens the distance from point a to point b a great deal (like if you were to have two dots drawn on a piece of paper, folded that paper in half so the points are closer but not touching).

so the huge difference in the two and the reason why i say that they're not the same whatsoever is that a transwarp conduit still travels the same distance and the same route but just super fast and a wormhole is a short cut that "teleports" you from one point to another. in saying that they're the same would be like saying beaming up to the moon from earth is the same as taking the enterprise at warp 3. both take the same time (roughly 0.03 seconds) and cover the same distance, but the means and method of travel are very different.